From nobody Tue Jul 12 18:58:05 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A4BC157B51 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 18:58:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.991 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.991 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcastmailservice.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b9ADy127Vpul for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 18:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resdmta-c1p-023854.sys.comcast.net (resdmta-c1p-023854.sys.comcast.net [96.102.19.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1C17C157B56 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 18:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-c1p-023411.sys.comcast.net ([96.102.18.231]) by resdmta-c1p-023854.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id BQLYoGFy9jvbgBRbYo8JdL; Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:55:56 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20211018a; t=1657677356; bh=mA9zEvbSQbzkgULYnL7sQJgRwnuMaLQ+RtfGBvYoy68=; h=Received:Received:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date: Message-ID; b=hALdqBYPb0FOcsx5i/ZxD8AUxNLTBl29J36XNEcpogl2+X1lliWohRqibYgED8/yb sasWAoKlLDYkYWvjkNwtG9e2KrTQRLojtAOAkHbjMtWUN59oYLECMG/eH0Rm/MNT8V iUcc+NmjoP4IW3YBKHWgWwtDE0Sxf4QBO444AwxmnB8FxMNFIQdoAHNeFv4i+aD7p6 7dNGX1Y7ty3G9vaO9oBvk4ePk17/hiuQo43BnEpOI+fmHq0ZDcCK3+dFvfAg4t9w/d /bKebUjjMe2w/izmF6sgBYHaYuLUWRVUsn0dGKNRVmKE7q23CBKaeUMk2dpsIz3qST 0bZjqzjNo4AGA== Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com ([IPv6:2601:192:4a00:430::adbf]) by resomta-c1p-023411.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id BRbWocU5Hu7szBRbXoKC8P; Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:55:56 +0000 X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=-100.00;st=legit Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 26D1tsjS1221340 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:55:54 -0400 Received: (from worley@localhost) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 26D1tskH1221337; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:55:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f From: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) To: Richard Shockey Cc: dispatch@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <73C345C6-F9E6-484D-94D3-51FE6A0ACD23@shockey.us> (richard@shockey.us) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:55:54 -0400 Message-ID: <87bkttvkr9.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dispatch] New I-D - SPIN - on voice/video interop between app providers X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:58:04 -0000 Richard Shockey writes: > There is a very very long history of trying to get vendors to > interoperate on advanced communications protocols. All of them have > been a failure. I'm hardly surprised, unfortunately. But what is different is > This work is motivated by the recent passage of regulation in the > European Union - the Digital Markets Act (DMA) - which, amongst many > other provisions, requires that vendors of applications with a large > number of users enable interoperability with applications made by > other vendors. If the EU is really behind this, the IETF is in a position to make sure the legal requirements cover what people need done. Brian Rosen mentions > Probably want to mention Real Time Text via RFC4103 (SIP signaled like > voice and video). Since the EU wants inclusiveness, I'm sure we can get RTT and video included. Dale