Re: [dispatch] Request for feedback on draft-thomy-json-ntv-01

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Subject: Re: [dispatch] Request for feedback on draft-thomy-json-ntv-01
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Philippe THOMY <philippe@loco-labs.io> writes:
>  Two interpretations are possible:
> - JSON-NTV is not used enough in the IETF, so it will not be able to evolve
> into RFC
> - JSON-NTV is not used enough in the IETF, it must therefore be used more
> in the IETF to evolve into RFC
> (I prefer the second interpretation !!)

My meaning is a somewhat vague, but could be phrased "Why does the IETF
care?"  Usually the answer to that is that various network operations
involve the concept in question, or would be improved by using the
concept in question.

> - does the [JSON-NTV] notation refer to a possible WG?

Actually, "[JSON-NTV]" is the reference tag the I-D uses for a document.

Dale