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Re: [dispatch] Draft on TRIP IANA registry & postal addresses

Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org> Wed, 18 July 2018 21:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dispatch] Draft on TRIP IANA registry & postal addresses
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Postal addresses should be part of "information about the organization that will administer the ITAD" (RFC 3219 Section 13.5).  What is the privacy benefit for such an organization to not reveal its postal address, if it has one?

TRIP Attributes requires a Specification ("RFC or equivalent"), which have authors, who often provide a postal address in their contact info. So what is the privacy benefit for those registering the type?

In general, you have to trade off privacy vs. security and robustness of process. For example, the successful use of "NOTE WELL" notices rather than explicit consortia-membership agreements depends to some degree on the ability to connect a posting to a registry to an individual who agrees to be bound by the terms in NOTE WELL. (Otherwise, what's the point?)

Why is address useful? Hard to make up new ones, and gives a clue about jurisdiction of the contributor.

To those reviewing IETF RFCs for unneeded use of addresses: consider this in your evaluation of postal or physical address privacy issues. 

Larry
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