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I'm late to this party, but two things strike me immediately:

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> writes:
> 1. The convention in IETF is to have things in "network" (big-endian) order.

Yes; we've settled on consistently using big-endian order.  Is there a
reason for the IETF to bless an encoding scheme that is little-endian?

Section 1 starts, "The purpose of the BARE message encoding, like
hundreds of others, is to encode application messages."  This is very
true.  But the I-D doesn't address why this encoding is decidedly better
than existing alternatives.  Presumably there's a case to be made for
it, but the case isn't made in the I-D.

Dale

