Re: [dispatch] X over websockets
Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com> Fri, 14 February 2014 17:27 UTC
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From: Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] X over websockets
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On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>wrote: > On 2/13/14 5:02 PM, Mary Barnes wrote: > >> This topic has previously been raised (a year ago and periodically since >> then): >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dispatch/current/msg04693.html >> >> The suggestion was to have a "foo" over websocket discussion on the RAI >> list (which is really a lonely and largely ignored mailing list) but no >> one has taken that up: >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dispatch/current/msg04749.html >> >> Also, no one has put forth a concrete proposal to deal with it and we >> don't do work unless someones willing to put in the cycles. >> >> Thus, these work items have been trickling in (and out). Since they are >> deemed useful in some contexts (and not harmful), they've been moving >> forward. But, it certainly would be good for someone to put in some >> cycles to define a model and some guidelines for using websockets for >> any number of RAI protocols. >> > > Mary, > > I don't know how to distinguish what belongs on the RAI list vs. the > dispatch list. But I have a perception that the dispatch list has a greater > following. > [MB] It was the ADs that suggested the topic was to be discussed on the RAI list. But, you are absolutely correct, there are about 200 more people on the DISPATCH list. However, as I regularly state there are some periodic discussions on the RAI list that are also of interest so folks really should consider subscribing to that one: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai For example, Gonzalo started a RAI process discussion a while back: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rai/current/msg01372.html And, Richard posted an important reminder note about deadlines for IETF-89: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rai/current/msg01430.html BTW, it's a Friday (today!) for the first time that I can recall in case anyone was thinking it was another Monday deadline as usual. I think in one sense, we've ended up with DISPATCH serving as a RAI Area WG since we don't have the latter. This "new" process has now been in place for 5 years, so maybe it is time to reconsider how the area is organized. But, of course that discussion should happen on the RAI list and involve the ADs ;) [/MB] > > Thanks, > Paul > > Mary. >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Sergio Garcia Murillo >> <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com >> <mailto:sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> El 13/02/2014 19:38, Paul Kyzivat escribió: >> >> On 2/13/14 11:07 AM, Sergio Garcia Murillo wrote: >> >> What I mean is that I expect quite a lot of "over >> websocekts" drafts and >> we should try to use the same solution for advertising it in >> the SDP, >> and not have each one have their own way of handling it. >> >> >> Sigh. Yes, once we had the first of these, it was only a matter >> of time before the flood began. >> >> What concerns me is that for every "X over websockets" there is >> probably also a good argument for "X over WebRTC Data Channel". >> >> Are we going to let that happen? >> >> Or for each X are we going to have a beauty contest between >> websockets and data channel? >> >> Or what? >> >> >> Completely agree, we should try to "close" that discussion once and >> for all and not have the same arguments and discussions in each >> draft. I am not really aware of the IETF process, but could be >> possible to create a draft to address it? >> >> Best regards >> Sergio >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> dispatch mailing list >> dispatch@ietf.org <mailto:dispatch@ietf.org> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/__listinfo/dispatch >> <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dispatch mailing list >> dispatch@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch >
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Ben Campbell
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Victor Pascual
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- [dispatch] X over websockets Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Mary Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] I-D Action: draft-pd-dispatch-msrp… Peter Dunkley
- Re: [dispatch] X over websockets Sergio Garcia Murillo