Re: [dispatch] IANA Registry for parameters for the MIME header field "Content-Type" ?
worley@ariadne.com Wed, 26 April 2023 15:24 UTC
Return-Path: <worley@alum.mit.edu>
X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FB9C151997 for <dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 08:24:33 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.981
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.981 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcastmailservice.net
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3zF61unZq7lt for <dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 08:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from resqmta-c1p-023464.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-c1p-023464.sys.comcast.net [96.102.19.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1036C14CF1E for <dispatch@ietf.org>; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 08:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from resomta-c1p-023269.sys.comcast.net ([96.102.18.227]) by resqmta-c1p-023464.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id rducpZMZzJF4frgyRpiJsB; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 15:22:27 +0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20211018a; t=1682522547; bh=aRUnxH5pZZb3yKbWjNONpTRWnmaWGYUFX1w+MZ23ns0=; h=Received:Received:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date: Message-ID:Xfinity-Spam-Result; b=SGRq1n7lhR16gk4uR0xP+9d5aB3+8fnSIwsn1l//LEkoy2zfC323TAQgr1SpTPvWd gIyzPnbKez6w90GLJHzyJgSXVhV5q90Sv5owbr0DP0VGCfOx9vyW6ZRmZBOc5xlh7S 4t5/0wvvy+BdumQGwh3aopXOLMzDtFg1vrXUBX3seFgrp7KrUkODLKK0yTqMMfcO5M M9GDgv3vQUQJ9RGbJzWWYHU1dBvMD3S/VtvZpNOw4tn3KEFtEk/AoJi3k29ZB37Nsz nRoaBcrXPaD8lECXVZK3PUDi70t1SmJ2TvdHPuT0qoM8GjexW87tpO5ycQBe4eE0pu ns0s1ZiV3Xe0g==
Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com ([IPv6:2601:192:4a00:430::d571]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resomta-c1p-023269.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id rgy3pyzydfaoTrgy4pnpVo; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 15:22:05 +0000
X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0.00;st=legit
Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 33QFM2cw656218 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:22:03 -0400
Received: (from worley@localhost) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 33QFM2aL656215; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:22:02 -0400
X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f
From: worley@ariadne.com
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
Cc: dkg@fifthhorseman.net, dispatch@ietf.org, media-types@ietf.org
In-Reply-To: <BF493A3EC74EA23346BBF6A5@PSB> (john-ietf@jck.com)
Sender: worley@ariadne.com
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:22:02 -0400
Message-ID: <87pm7qsm79.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dispatch/whHq7J_26BS6s05c0iLyO-odk40>
Subject: Re: [dispatch] IANA Registry for parameters for the MIME header field "Content-Type" ?
X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List <dispatch.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dispatch>, <mailto:dispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dispatch/>
List-Post: <mailto:dispatch@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch>, <mailto:dispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 15:24:33 -0000
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> writes: > (1) There was, at least as I recall, never a plan for parameters > to be shared, using the same keywords, value set, and semantics > across content-types, especially top-level content types. > Unless we intent to change that, it is not clear what value a > registry might have. Perhaps this is just my ignorance, but by default, I would expect a registry for such parameters to be little more than a mapping from parameter names to the RFCs that define their usage. I would say that such a registry would be useful, unless that mapping is "straightforward", by which I mean that one can *always* find the definition of a parameter relative to a media type by looking at: 1. The definition of the top-level type, pointed to by the text at the top of https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml 2. The definition of the subtype involved, pointed to by the subtype's entry in media-types.shtml. 3. Whatever parameters are defined as "parameters of the Content-Type header field" in RFC 2045 and its updates rather than "parameters of the media type". There appear to be none of these, per sec. 5: There are NO globally-meaningful parameters that apply to all media types. OK, and looking at the list I just wrote, it does appear that the mapping *is* straightforward. Which leads me to pop up a level and note that the Subject in this thread is "IANA Registry for parameters for the MIME header field 'Content-Type'". But in fact, the parameters aren't defined as parts of the "Content-Type" header field, they're parts of the media type, which is the value part of the header field. Then again, there is the fact that a registry would be reasonably complete, and if one wanted a complete list, one would not have to scan the 800+ non-vnd. registered media types. But is there a use for such a complete list? In a MUA, one could not implement a parameter for a media type without understanding the specific semantics for that parameter for that media type, which requires examining all relevant media type registrations. Dale
- Re: [dispatch] IANA Registry for parameters for t… John C Klensin
- [dispatch] IANA Registry for parameters for the M… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [dispatch] IANA Registry for parameters for t… John C Klensin
- Re: [dispatch] IANA Registry for parameters for t… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [dispatch] IANA Registry for parameters for t… worley