Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Tue, 19 April 2016 13:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work
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On 4/19/2016 6:26 AM, Fernando Gont wrote:
> The IETF meets mostly in Europe and North America, because that's where
> most contributors reside, and hence meeting elsewhere might prevent such
> contributors from attending the meeting.
>
> Obviously, with the same logic in mind, it would be virtually impossible
> to encourage participation from developing regions, where participants
> are usually less funded, or not funded at all.


If the IETF did most or all of its work at face to face meetings, your 
assessment would be correct.  But it doesn't.  Or at least, it is not 
supposed to.


Since we are supposed to do our primary work on mailing lists, the 
actual model has the simple premise that increasing participation from a 
region warrants extending the range of regions we hold meetings at. 
That is, to get the IETF to come a region, there first needs to be more 
people from that region actively contributing through working group 
mailing lists.

d/
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   Dave Crocker
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