Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work (was: Interim step on meetings site feedback for sites currently under active consideration)

Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh@gmail.com> Tue, 19 April 2016 11:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work (was: Interim step on meetings site feedback for sites currently under active consideration)
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Hi SM,

English is generally not as much as a problem for India as it is for
China or LATAM. As India was a English colony before independence,
English has been adopted as a language by elites. A decently large
part of our education in urban centres is in English. A majority of
the people who are likely to contribute to the IETF (Graduate and PG
academia, researchers, Network engineers and programmers) already know
English.

Alongwith Hindi, English is one of the link languages. In fact, much
of the business (and research) is carried out in English. Unlike most
other countries, it is not uncommon in India for people to know 5-6
languages (two most common being Hindi and English).

The most common barriers to IETF contribution in India are 1.
Awareness 2. Funding (for the meetings) and time spent.

Thanks
Vinayak

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 2:28 PM, SM <sm@resistor.net> wrote:
> Hi Nalini,
> At 12:50 18-04-2016, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if there has not been more participation in active IETF work
>> before from other regions because there was no structured way to start
>> participating and language insensitivity.  (BTW, there is a new member of
>> the Mentoring Team from Latin America, that I met in Buenos Aires who will
>> translate the Mentoring emails into Spanish.)
>
>
> Attendance figures were used as a substitute for Participation figures. The
> IETF Community did not show much interest in doing anything about that.  A
> few years ago, an IAOC Chair posted the following to justify the meeting
> policy: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/pdfgakgOuij_5.pdf
>
> There wasn't any formal effort (as the one you are doing) to train people
> from other regions to start participating except for the meeting training
> sessions.  A person who is not used to discussing in English faces a higher
> learning curve in comparison with someone from Australia.
>
> The regional mentors (in the Cc) might be able to comment about why there
> has not been more active participation before.
>
> Regards,
> -sm