Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Participation in active IETF work (was: Interim step on meetings site feedback for sites currently under active consideration)

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3.  Internet Draft Author Assistance: Phase 1:  The team will help an author who has a draft but does not have an agenda slot.  The group will help the author solidify his / her ideas, see where there are holes in the logic, etc.

>Could I suggest that you focus on something like "hasn't attracted the attention of a working group", rather than "does not have an agenda slot"? 
>If the working group doesn't pay attention, the draft isn't going anywhere, whether you have an agenda slot or not.
>There are working group chairs who give agenda slots to drafts that don't have the attention of a working group, just because they have time available (after dealing with all chartered >items, of course). That isn't nearly as significant as presenters think it is.
>Helping people who have the attention of a working group prepare for presentations is, of course, fine.

Yes.  I think that is very good.  There are multiple reasons why a draft doesn't attract the attention of a working group.   That could be a very fruitful conversation.
But, I what I actually meant is that the draft was written but not really ready for "prime time", if you will.   Just in my experience, it seems that once you have a network of people within the IETF, then if you have a draft that you are not quite ready to post to the WG email list, you ask people privately if they will review.   And others ask you.  I am doing that right now for someone else before they post.
But for people who don't have a network, then this is to help them.   I think it is very good to ask for private review first.  So, maybe we call it that:
As in:
3.  Internet Draft Author: Private Review: Prior to posting to the public email list for your WG.
You actually bring up the topic of "problems progressing your draft", I think.  A big topic.
Nalini