Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Participation in active IETF work

<nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com> Tue, 19 April 2016 16:35 UTC

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On 4/19/2016 8:13 AM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
>> I also think that if people wanted help in making their draft more
>> readable - I am just talking about the English part of it, then maybe we
>> need:
>>
>> 1.5  English Review Mentors
>>
>> These are people who will just review for grammar, sentence
>> construction, readability, etc.


>Well, my experience for such documents is that the mentor needs to get 
>deeply into the substance of the document and the process needs to be 
>extended.

>In my experience, simple language help is easy, but frankly not that 
>common or at least not really different from what drafts by 'native' 
English speakers need.

>The real challenge is developing an adequate understanding of what the 
>author /intends/ and then helping to figure out how to write that well.

>And for reference, it's not uncommon to have a draft from a 'native' 
>English speaker that also needs this sort of help...

 I think you are right on all counts.  I have seen some very horrible prose from native English speakers.
But, the mentoring program is not just for non-native English speakers.  It is for all IETFers.
Having said all this, this is a great discussion but really better to be had close to IETF97 when such mentoring programs will start.   I will keep all these notes but we have some immediate issues with the current Internet Draft Review teams.
So far we have 25 people signed up.  So far, so good.  But the issue is that I can only form 2 teams out of these.  These are formed:  
1) Spanish : DNSOP
2) English: 6lo / 6tisch
Now, I have told the teams to go off & decide what drafts they want to review.  Great.
But, the problem is that I am left with a bunch of singletons, as it were.  That is, one person who wants to speak Spanish & work on TLS, for example.   So, I need a bigger pool to get more matches.  (Why do I feel like eharmony?)
I think that if the people leading the remote hubs could publicize the initiative, then we would probably get more people.  Any other ideas?   I think we are probably good for a week or so, but then pool size will become the problem preventing expansion.
Nalini