Re: [Diversity] Concerns about Singapore

Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh@gmail.com> Mon, 11 April 2016 03:21 UTC

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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:51:02 +0530
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From: Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Concerns about Singapore
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On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:
>> In contrast, I think the current fiasco is just one in an ongoing
>> sequence of mostly minor screw-ups by well meaning folks, all or
>> almost all of which would likely have been easier to handle or
>> less likely to happen if the IAOC and it's subcommittees made much
>> better use of what is the IETF's standard modus operandi: open-ness.
>
>
> Oh.  Ok.  It would be helpful to see a compendium of these screw-ups, in
> order to be able to attempt to analyze them.  Openness about problems begins
> by being clear about what they are.

+1 on that. Dave to be fair, Fred did share an analysis how past venues did
against a set of criteria that we have now in the mtgvenue draft.

Thanks
Vinayak