Re: [Diversity] Moving to meeting attendance NOT required (was: Re: Consideration for participation)

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 16 June 2016 13:46 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:46:17 -0500
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To: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@bbiw.net>
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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Moving to meeting attendance NOT required (was: Re: Consideration for participation)
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Hi, Dave,

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:

> On 6/15/2016 10:39 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
>
>> I am disturbed
>> by the extent to which we're an organization in which someone
>> can participate meaningfully while being remote when we're
>> talking about Singapore and the extent we're an organization
>> in which someone needs to attend meetings to build relationships
>> and move work forward the rest of the time.  Seriously, this
>> needs to stop.
>>
>
>
> If we made that stop, what would things look like?  I think we do not have
> a detailed, shared description of the alternative environment that would
> exist.  Most folk probably have their own sense of what it might be, but
> we're missing s shared specification.
>
> Similarly, how to we get there?  What steps do we need to take, to move to
> this better environment?


I'm not the Melinda Whisperer, but I thought Melinda meant inconsistency
between discussions about whether being in Singapore in person is critical,
versus discussions about whether being at any meeting in general in person
is critical.

But she can correct me if I misthought.

Spencer