Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Participation in active IETF work

Dave Crocker <> Tue, 19 April 2016 15:02 UTC

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On 4/19/2016 7:37 AM, wrote:
>  > 1.  Internet draft review teams (already started)
> ..
>  > 3.  Internet draft critique teams (will start time after next!)  Help
>  > people who have a draft make it better.
>  >My guess is that you intend the two efforts to come at different times
>  >and to have people who differ in their relationship to the document
>  >development process.  But that's just a guess and it's not very specific.
> Yes.  I think I need a different name for the activity #3.
> What I was thinking is:
> 3.  Internet Draft Author Assistance:  The team will help an author who
> is due to present at an upcoming IETF.  etc, etc.

Oh.  Yeah, that sounds extremely useful.

> But, as I think more, we probably need a step in between, as in:
> 3.  Internet Draft Author Assistance: Phase 1:  The team will help an
> author who has a draft but does not have an agenda slot.  The group will
> help the author solidify his / her ideas, see where there are holes in
> the logic, etc.
> 4.  Internet Draft Author Assistance: Phase 2:  The team will help an
> author who is due to present at an upcoming IETF.  etc, etc

So, there's a challenge in designing an overall approach this is simple 
and useful.  It will help quite a bit to create a careful list of the 
different kinds of help that might be provided, but I suspect the actual 
work needs to be divided into only a small number of of different groups.

My immediate thought is that you might want something like:

    1. Document Development Mentors

       These are the folk who help an author create a readable and 
useful document and help them interact with the working group. They have 
continuing 'context' for the work.  I suspect they also would help the 
author prepare for a presentation.

    2. Document Reviewers

       These would be outside readers who would comment informally.  In 
effect, they would augment the commentary of the document mentors.



   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking