Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work (was: Interim step on meetings site feedback for sites currently under active consideration)

SM <sm@resistor.net> Tue, 19 April 2016 20:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work (was: Interim step on meetings site feedback for sites currently under active consideration)
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Hi Vinayak,
At 12:05 19-04-2016, Vinayak Hegde wrote:
>Yes & No. YMMV everyone is different. Some people are very happy
>contributing remotely and physical meetings might not matter as much
>to them. But this subset is small. I would guess for most people a
>physical meeting still helps a lot. On the other end of the spectrum
>there might be people who have come multiple times and have not
>contributed much or are not as active.
>
>I think it is getting easier to contribute (for someone who wants to),
>thanks to meetecho, remote presentations, wider diversity of meeting
>venues (due to 1:1:1:1*) and various trainings and mentoring that is
>available now. But all said and done IMHO, being at a meeting still is
>a quite different experience (due to physical presence, bumping into
>people - serendipity, focus and facetime)

I read your answer as meaning that non-participation from developing 
countries (or non-participation from people who do not work for large 
companies) does not affect IETF work.

A meeting in, for example, Europe, allows a participant in Europe to 
present his/her draft.  I don't know whether that (type of) 
participant sees remote presentation facilities (meetecho) as a 
workable alternative.  I could not find any first-hand information 
about Africa, Asia or South America.  Please comment if you are 
residing in any of those regions and you tried to attend an IETF 
meeting to present a draft.

I agree that for most people, attending a meeting in person helps a 
lot.  There is the funding problem which affects people from 
developing countries.  If, for example, we compare this with the ITU, 
national governments provide funding to attend ITU meetings.

Regards,
-sm