Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Participation in active IETF work

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> But, as I think more, we probably need a step in between, as in:
> 3.  Internet Draft Author Assistance: Phase 1:  The team will help an
> author who has a draft but does not have an agenda slot.  The group will
> help the author solidify his / her ideas, see where there are holes in
> the logic, etc.
> 4.  Internet Draft Author Assistance: Phase 2:  The team will help an
> author who is due to present at an upcoming IETF.  etc, etc

>So, there's a challenge in designing an overall approach this is simple 
>and useful.  It will help quite a bit to create a careful list of the 
>different kinds of help that might be provided, but I suspect the actual 
>work needs to be divided into only a small number of of different groups.

>My immediate thought is that you might want something like:

>    1. Document Development Mentors

>       These are the folk who help an author create a readable and 
>useful document and help them interact with the working group. They have 
>continuing 'context' for the work.  I suspect they also would help the 
>author prepare for a presentation.

> 2. Document Reviewers

>   These would be outside readers who would comment informally.  In 
>effect, they would augment the commentary of the document mentors.

Dave, I like this approach a lot.   I think the document development mentors should be of two types :
1.  in native language (if needed)
2. English
I also think that if people wanted help in making their draft more readable - I am just talking about the English part of it, then maybe we need:

1.5  English Review Mentors
These are people who will just review for grammar, sentence construction, readability, etc.

The idea is that before you even post, you have done a lot of homework & review.  I think a nicely written, well-thought out draft, is more likely to attract the attention of the WG.  Putting your best foot forward, as it were!