Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work
Dave Crocker <dcrocker@bbiw.net> Tue, 26 April 2016 12:50 UTC
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From: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@bbiw.net>
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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work
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On 4/26/2016 3:50 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> [2016-04-19 06:40:27 -0700]: >> If the IETF did most or all of its work at face to face meetings, your >> assessment would be correct. But it doesn't. Or at least, it is not >> supposed to. > > It would be great if the theory could be put to the test by cancelling > all IETF meetings for two years and seeing if that impacts IETF work. > > If IETF work would hardly be affected, then yes, the theory holds. If > that is not true, perhaps it is time we revised the theory? That does not test the theory, since the theory is about 'most', not 'all'. The real test is to peruse existing working group mailing lists and compare the extent of substantive work done there, compared against the ground covered during the working group's face to face meetings. There has always been need of face to face meetings, to augment the work on the mailing list. It permits far more efficient exchanges for exploring and resolving barriers to progress. It also facilitates cross-communication among different efforts, albeit informally. The question is about balance, not about eliminating any one form of meeting. d/ d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work (wa… SM
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… Vinayak Hegde
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work Fernando Gont
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work Dave Crocker
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work Dave Crocker
- [Diversity] Instuctions for Internet Draft Review… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Particip… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Particip… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Particip… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Particip… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Particip… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Particip… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Particip… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Particip… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Diversity] [Mentoring-coordinators] Particip… nalini.elkins
- [Diversity] early mentoring for /any/ draft (was … Dave Crocker
- Re: [Diversity] early mentoring for /any/ draft (… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… SM
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… Vinayak Hegde
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… SM
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… Vinayak Hegde
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… SM
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Diversity] early mentoring for /any/ draft (… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Diversity] early mentoring for /any/ draft (… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work… nalini.elkins
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work Dave Crocker