Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-03.txt

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Thu, 19 August 2021 19:22 UTC

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 12:21:43 -0700
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-03.txt
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 5:53 AM Todd Herr <todd.herr=
40valimail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 7:19 AM Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote:
>
>> On Wed 18/Aug/2021 22:17:57 +0200 Todd Herr wrote:
>> >
>> > The main update in this draft is removal of the "pct" tag, with an
>> > explanation as to why, and an introduction of the "t" tag in an effort
>> > to maintain the functionality provided today by "pct=0" and "pct=100".
>>
>>
>> As held earlier, I disagree with such gratuitous breaking of the
>> existing installed base and published records.
>>
>
> I disagree with your characterization of removal of the "pct" tag as
> "gratuitous breaking"; the spec has long contained the following text:
>
> Only tags defined in this document or in later extensions, and thus added
> to that registry,
> are to be processed; unknown tags MUST be ignored.
>
> and so should a DMARC protocol without the "pct" tag be formally adopted,
> there should be no breaking of any existing DMARC implementations.
>

Not expressing an opinion on the new text, but just on this point:

I agree the parsers won't break from this change, but an operator currently
advertising "pct=33" will suddenly stop getting what it thought it was
asking for.  One could argue that this constitutes "breakage".

-MSK, participating