Re: [dmarc-ietf] rua XML update needed for treewalk

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Wed, 22 June 2022 15:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] rua XML update needed for treewalk
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It appears that Tomki Camp  <tomki.camp@gmail.com> said:
>If DMARC evaluation at receivers is updated to allow determination of
>alignment via tree walk, the XML reporting data sent using that scheme
>needs to reflect this.

I don't see why.  The current text says you go find a PSL-like thing and use
that to guess an org domain.  The PSL that everyone uses changes several
times per week and there is no guarantee that the one that a reporter used
matches the one that the recipient has.

Aggregate reports say what domain they're reporting on, which means that
it includes all of its subdomains unless there happen to be lower level
entries in the PSL the reporter used in which case it might not.

What do you think will be different?  Why would it matter?

R's,
John