Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic report loops are a problem
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic report loops are a problem
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On 2/1/21 5:42 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 2/1/2021 5:38 PM, John R Levine wrote: >> So I would say that from my small sample, a lot of people have >> figured out how to send aligned reports, > > and, to be thorough, some/alot have not. > This, on the other hand, should be measurable. Saying that we should ignore authentication requirements should require extraordinary proof that it is needed for practical as well as security reasons. The burden of proof is on the nay-sayers, especially since it is so trivial to implement these days. Mike
- [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Juri Haberland
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a … John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a … John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Juri Haberland
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] report floods, not Forensic repo… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… John R Levine