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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 14 January 2021 17:35 UTC

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From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops
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In article <CAL0qLwZVWRFnaK1iqMC800GCt651xwu=dEqhz=r9Z_CG2y3AKA@mail.gmail.com> you write:
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>On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 1:22 AM Steven M Jones <smj@crash.com> wrote:
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>> On 1/13/21 20:29, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>> >
>> > How are implementers dealing with forensic report loops?
>>
>> The question of whether such a thing is actually ever seen in the wild
>> should be asked, if only to document that it was asked and answered. See
>> prior "this is a vanishingly small number who cares" discussions.
>
>I'm asking the question in response to an actual use case.  Granted it's an
>isolated case so far, but it comes from a not-insignificant organization
>that probably handles a substantial email load, so at least for their side
>this is already happening, or could happen, at scale.

Why isn't the solution to fix the sender's configuration so the reports
are aligned?  They're just mail messages.

R's,
John

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