Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-11.txt
Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Sat, 20 March 2021 00:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-11.txt
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On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:28 PM Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote: > On Fri 19/Mar/2021 15:09:31 +0100 internet-drafts wrote: > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > [...] > > > Much better! > > There's still a few style points that I'd propose. They can be dealt with > in > auth48. > > > *Introduction* > > The PSL is not mentioned yet. Therefore: > > OLD: > This document specifies experimental updates to the DMARC and PSL > algorithm cited above, in an attempt to mitigate this abuse. > > NEW > This document specifies experimental updates to the DMARC specification > in an attempt to mitigate this abuse. > > Updated > > *Example* > > Since the algorithm (last word) hasn't been mentioned yet: > > OLD > Defensively registering all variants of "tax" is obviously not a > scalable strategy. The intent of this specification, therefore, is > to enhance the DMARC algorithm by enabling an agent receiving such a > message to be able to determine that a relevant policy is present at > "gov.example", which is precluded by the current DMARC algorithm. > > > NEW > Defensively registering all variants of "tax" is obviously not a > scalable strategy. The intent of this specification, therefore, is > to enhance DMARC discovering method by enabling an agent receiving > such a > message to be able to determine that a relevant policy is present at > "gov.example", which is precluded by the current DMARC specification. > Added Kurt's suggestion and put in a "the". Now reads as Defensively registering all variants of "tax" is obviously not a scalable strategy. The intent of this specification, therefore, is to enhance the DMARC discovery method by enabling an agent receiving such a message to be able to determine that a relevant policy is present at "gov.example", which is precluded by the current DMARC specification. > > *Discussion* (optional) > > The phrase "of the tree" is useless and can be deleted. That way, the > first > appearance of the term "tree" is deferred to Section 2.2, where it is put > forth > cleverly, by implicitly recalling that the term refers to graph theory, > since > the root is near to the top. > > OLD > o Branded PSDs (e.g., ".google"): These domains are effectively > Organizational Domains as discussed in [RFC7489]. They control > all subdomains of the tree. These are effectively private > domains, but listed in the Public Suffix List. They are treated > as Public for DMARC purposes. They require the same protections > as DMARC Organizational Domains, but are currently unable to > benefit from DMARC. > > > NEW > o Branded PSDs (e.g., ".google"): These domains are effectively > Organizational Domains as discussed in [RFC7489]. They control > all subdomains. These are effectively private > domains, but listed in the Public Suffix List. They are treated > as Public for DMARC purposes. They require the same protections > as DMARC Organizational Domains, but are currently unable to > benefit from DMARC. > Hmm, "Public Suffix List" is in this paragraph. Needs rethinking. > *DMARC PSD PSL Extension* > > Here comes the first appearance of the string "PSL: > > OLD > [psddmarc.org] provides a PSL like file to enable to facilitate > identification of PSD DMARC participants. Contents are functionally > identical to the IANA like registry, but presented in a different > format. > > NEW > [psddmarc.org] provides a file formatted like the public suffix list > (PSL) in order to facilitate the identification of PSD DMARC > participants. > Contents are functionally identical to the identical to the IANA like > registry above, but presented in a different format. > >
- [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-11.… internet-drafts
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd… Tim Wicinski