Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN
Douglas Foster <dougfoster.emailstandards@gmail.com> Fri, 09 April 2021 22:06 UTC
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From: Douglas Foster <dougfoster.emailstandards@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2021 18:05:50 -0400
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I see no scope problem with language that states what alignments are not acceptable, but that is the role of the chairs and the design team. I shared what I thought was relevant and new information, and responded to the questions that were asked. I am going silent. On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 11:12 AM Todd Herr <todd.herr@valimail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:49 AM Douglas Foster < > dougfoster.emailstandards@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am happy to have the concept optimized. Your comments make sense to me. >> >> I just believe strongly that these documents teach implementers best >> practices and that this particular document is the time and place to begin >> teaching best practices around non-existent domains. >> >> It is swell that postfix is widely used and responds appropriately to >> non-existent domains But clearly we have a lot of implementers who need >> coaching. >> > > I don't dispute that documenting best practices is a thing to do; I just > think that it's a thing for emailcore to do, not dmarc. > > Consider this paragraph from the charter for emailcore > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/emailcore/about/>: > > The working group will also work on an Applicability Statement in > parallel with 5321bis and 5322bis, to capture relationships to other > documented and widely deployed work (recommended extensions, transport > security and other issues from the UTA working group's output, and such) > and current email practices. 5321bis and 5322bis will be submitted for > publication before this document is finalized, and the "bis" documents > will have priority for the working group's attention until they are > finished. > > > I don't see similar language in the charter for this group. > > -- > > *Todd Herr* | Sr. Technical Program Manager > *e:* todd.herr@valimail.com > *m:* 703.220.4153 > > This email and all data transmitted with it contains confidential and/or > proprietary information intended solely for the use of individual(s) > authorized to receive it. If you are not an intended and authorized > recipient you are hereby notified of any use, disclosure, copying or > distribution of the information included in this transmission is prohibited > and may be unlawful. Please immediately notify the sender by replying to > this email and then delete it from your system. >
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- [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Grant Taylor
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Grant Taylor
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Laura Atkins
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Jan Bouwhuis (DMARC)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] NXDOMAIN Douglas Foster