Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC Multi Proposal

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 02 November 2018 09:09 UTC

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From: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC Multi Proposal
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote:
>> I mean ARC as it's implemented now, not in our multi-signing draft.
> It seems like a poor implementation choice to be enforcing something which
> is not part of the spec :-), especially when there are parenthetical
> comments and references to things like ARC-MULTI to warn you against
> leaping to foot-shooting enforcement choices.

I see it also says:

    Valid ARC Sets MUST have exactly one instance of each ARC header
    field (AAR, AMS, and AS) for a given instance value and signing
    algorithm.

I'm reasonably sure that doesn't match a lot of running code.  I'm 
particularly thinking of gmail here.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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