Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> Fri, 30 November 2018 21:31 UTC
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From: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>
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Cc: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>, Tim Draegen <tim@dmarcian.com>, dmarc@ietf.org, IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis@ietf.org, dmarc-chairs@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2018, at 8:54 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > Murray, would you please copy the relevant IANA Considerations > sections from RFC 7601 into 7601bis and change the tenses > appropriately (perhaps just with a sentence in each subsection that > says, "The following was done in the previous edition of this > document, RFC 7601:", or some such Even better if you say something like "the following is unchanged from RFC 7601:". >), and then let's have a quick > working group review of the result? (And, of course, change it back > to "obsoletes" rather than "updates".) > > As it's editorial, I'm sure we don't need to go back through any > approval process, and we can get the DISCUSS cleared and move forward. I agree. I think this is purely editorial, albeit an important issue for the final document. > Thanks, > Barry > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 2:00 PM Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > > > I actually agree with this: I think the better answer is to go back to > > > "obsoletes" and to have this document include the details of what was > > > put in the registries before. But the working group decided to do it > > > the other way, and there's been criticism in the past of ADs (and, so, > > > by extension, chairs) picking on this sort of stuff, so I decided to > > > let it go. I'll let the IESG sort this one out, but I'll go on record > > > as saying what I think the better way to handle it is. > > > > I think incorporating older registrations is the cleaner way of dealing with Ben's & Benjamin's DISCUSSes, as then the document is self contained and there is no need for readers to see obsoleted RFCs. So this would be my preference. > > > > If the WG doesn't want to do this, then the document needs editing to be correct as per Benjamin's DISCUSS. > > > > Best Regards, > > Alexey > > > > > That said, I don't think it's a huge deal either way. > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 6:09 PM Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for > > > > draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis-04: Discuss > > > > > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > DISCUSS: > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > This is mainly a process discuss. I share Alvaro's concern about this being > > > > marked as "updating" RFC7601, when it seem like a full replacement. I'm > > > > promoting it to a DISCUSS because I think this needs to be resolved before > > > > publication. > > > > > > > > The current structure will make it very difficult for readers to figure out > > > > which parts of each doc they need to worry about. I think it needs to either go > > > > back to "obsoleting" 7601, or it needs to be recast to just talk about the > > > > changes. Note that if the former path is chosen, the IANA considerations in > > > > 7601 will need to be copied forward. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > COMMENT: > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > I mostly just reviewed the diff. Thank you for mostly avoiding unnecessary > > > > changes. That makes the diff tools much more useful than they are for bis > > > > drafts that make wholesale organization and stylistic changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Barry > > > -- > > > Barry Leiba (barryleiba@computer.org) > > > http://internetmessagingtechnology.org/ > > >
- [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf… Ben Campbell
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Ben Campbell
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Alexey Melnikov
- [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, was … Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, … Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, … Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, … Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, … Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, … Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, … Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] New diff rfc7601 vs rfc7601bis, … Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Ben Campbell
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-… Scott Kitterman