Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a problem

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Wed, 27 January 2021 20:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a problem
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In article <CAL0qLwY5BbwvS9XXqBk=Mp074ntN=NeS97pJAxPBdQEZAsgohg@mail.gmail.com> you write:
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>On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 10:38 AM John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
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>> Stop there.  If you don't want failure reports, don't send unaligned
>> messages.
>
>I could be sold on the idea that there's not a problem for us to fix in the
>protocol here, but what about the notion that it's something that might
>warrant a sentence or two of informative text (i.e., that this is a problem
>that can occur and possibly cause operational pressure)?

I still don't understand why failure reports about messages that
happen to be failure reports are in any way special.

The report is after all a brand new message which I would hope is sent
the way tou send any other message, and should be aligned if the rest
of your mail is.

R's,
John