Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a problem
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Sat, 16 January 2021 21:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a problem
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:40 PM John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > I still don't understand why anyone thinks there is a problem to be > fixed. If you don't want reports, don't ask for them. If you think the > mail you send shouldn't be provoking DMARC failure reports, adjust > whatever is sending the mail the mail is aligned, or get rid of the > ruf= that asks for the reports. What am I missing here? > You might be right, so I'll go back and ask this use case what the specifics are. What I'm concerned about is that since this has come up before N times (for, admittedly, some currently small value of N), we've seen enough disparate cases of it that we may be missing something bigger, and if so, doing something defensive in the specification would be prudent. There's smoke here, and there may be fire. Will report back. -MSK
- [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Juri Haberland
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a … John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are not a … John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Juri Haberland
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] report floods, not Forensic repo… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a prob… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC'ed reports, was Forensic r… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Fore… John R Levine