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Re: [dmarc-ietf] From: rewriting, was Email standard revision

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Mon, 02 December 2019 17:41 UTC

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Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 12:41:06 -0500
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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--On Monday, December 2, 2019 09:20 -0800 "Kurt Andersen (b)"
<kboth@drkurt.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:11 AM John C Klensin
> <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> --On Monday, December 2, 2019 08:29 -0800 Dave Crocker
>> <dcrocker@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 12/2/2019 7:56 AM, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote:
>> >> There's also already RFC7960 which expands upon 5598 with
>> >> specific  reference to DMARC's impact.
>> > 
>> > ahh. thanks.
>> > 
>> > It will help to have folk comment on the IETF mailing list,
>> > so that Klensin's comments don't just get responses from me.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, 7960 does not explicitly update 5598, so that
>> relationship is difficult for anyone not heavily involved to
>> discover (that neither Dave nor I was aware of the
>> relationship is probably symptomatic).  This may eventually
>> call for an update that replaces both documents or may
>> further justify a more or less comprehensive Applicability
>> Statement for the core email protocols.
> 
> 
> In this regard I think that something like Hector's
> "practitioner's guide" (probably as a BCP rather than a
> protocol standard) would be immensely helpful and meet this
> need. Maybe we need to look for making a trilogy of docs
> rather than just a duet: *21, *22, *23 :-)

Already proposed on the IETF list and in private interactions
with the ADs.  It is probably a good sign that several of us
seem to be reaching similar conclusions.

    john

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