Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #55 - Clarify legal and privacy implications of failure reports

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 24 December 2020 02:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #55 - Clarify legal and privacy implications of failure reports
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2020, Dotzero wrote:
> Based on my experience, I disagree that failure reports are marginal and
> seldom used. It's kind of like an iceberg, mostly below the surface. ...

Seems to me that if we splice in Ned's tweaked privacy language, we're 
done.  I don't see any reason to change the technical spec.  People will 
send what they send, and it's become clear that we have nothing useful to 
say about what one might redact.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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