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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #55 - Clarify legal and privacy implications of failure reports

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Wed, 06 January 2021 14:41 UTC

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From: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #55 - Clarify legal and privacy implications of failure reports
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On 1/5/21 10:02 PM, Dotzero wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 8:19 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com 
> <mailto:mike@mtcc.com>> wrote:
>
>     No it was an unalloyed good that you brought that up. We can use a
>     much
>     more data-driven approach rather than opinion and conjecture. It
>     would
>     be good for it to be required reading for everybody on this working
>     group, and not snarled at as a heresy. DKIM itself was a leap of
>     faith.
>     16 years later it is gratifying that we have data.
>
>     Mike
>
>
> DKIM was NOT a leap of faith. At the time there was plenty of data 
> from DK (Domain Keys) and IIM to inform those involved. Please stop 
> making assertions of "fact" which are simply not true.
>
Um, dude, I was one of the authors of IIM. You're literally claiming to 
know more than me about what was in my head.

Mike

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