Re: [dmarc-ietf] Comment on draft-ietf-dmarc-psd

"Kurt Andersen (b)" <kboth@drkurt.com> Tue, 10 December 2019 02:27 UTC

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 18:26:36 -0800
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Comment on draft-ietf-dmarc-psd
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 4:54 PM Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> wrote:

> On Monday, December 9, 2019 7:41:27 PM EST Brandon Long wrote:
>
> > I'm sure I probably missed this, but couldn't we avoid this question by
> just mandating no reporting for non-existing organizational domains?  Is
> that a non-starter?
>
> It's one of the use cases we are trying to cover.  I don't know if that
> makes it a non-starter.
>

Unless I'm misunderstanding Brandon's suggestion, it seems like you
(Brandon) are asking if doing no reporting on missing org domains solves
the scalability problem. *Getting* reports for missing org domains is the
main purpose of the PSD proposal so it would render the purpose moot.

--Kurt