Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limitations was: Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd
Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> Fri, 12 July 2019 18:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limitations was: Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd
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On Friday, July 12, 2019 1:59:55 PM EDT Stan Kalisch wrote: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:21:14 PM EDT Seth Blank wrote: > > > As Secretary, there are three items that have not yet reached consensus > > > that must be resolved during WGLC: > > > > > > 2. If explicit call outs to ICANN/limited operator capacity to implement > > > are needed > > > > There has been feedback in favor of adding this and none against so far. > > > > The specific proposal is: > > > > "Please note that today's operational and policy reality prevents this > > experiment from being deployed globally. If the experiment shows that PSD > > solves a real problem at a large scale, the results could prove to be > > useful in the development of policies outside of the IETF that would > > permit its ubiquitous deployment." > > > > Because RFCs are (approximately) forever, I'm concerned about words like > > "today's" in protocol documents, even experimental ones. > > > > How about this instead: > > > > "As of the writing of this document operational and policy constraints > > prevent this experiment from being deployed globally. If the experiment > > shows that PSD solves a real problem and can be used at a large scale, > > the results could prove to be useful in the development of policies > > outside of the IETF that would permit broader deployment". > > "[D]evelopment of policies outside of the IETF" strikes me as a little odd > since IETF isn't setting policy *per se*, although substitute language that > is just as succinct is escaping me at the moment. ... removal of constraints ... ??? "As of the writing of this document operational and policy constraints prevent this experiment from being deployed globally. If the experiment shows that PSD solves a real problem and can be used at a large scale, the results could prove to be useful in the removal of constraints outside of the IETF that would permit broader deployment". Better? Scott K
- [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Scott Kitterman
- [dmarc-ietf] Introduction context was: Re: Workin… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Introduction context was: Re: Wo… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Introduction context was: Re: Wo… Scott Kitterman
- [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limitation… Scott Kitterman
- [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: Re: W… Scott Kitterman
- [dmarc-ietf] Implemnetations was: Re: Working Gro… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limita… Stan Kalisch
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limita… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limita… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limita… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limita… Stan Kalisch
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Introduction context was: Re: Wo… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limita… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limita… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limita… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mention ICANN/operational limita… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Ian Levy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Richard C
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Chudow, Eric B CIV NSA DSAW (USA)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Ian Levy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Working Group Last Call: draft-i… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Chudow, Eric B CIV NSA DSAW (USA)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Ian Levy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Ian Levy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Douglas E. Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: R… Kurt Andersen