Re: [dmarc-ietf] Do is need a new ptype? Was Re: New authentication method, DNSWL

Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> Wed, 04 December 2019 07:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Do is need a new ptype? Was Re: New authentication method, DNSWL
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On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 4:21:47 PM EST John R Levine wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 7:54 AM John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> Nice to know I'm not the only one who lets my mail marinate for a while.
> 
> > Assuming the ptype we're talking about is "dns" which is defined in the
> > same document, the definition is terse and there's not much guidance for
> > the designated expert about what things should be allowed with respect to
> > future registrations.  I think Scott basically said the same thing.  I'd
> > like to see those points addressed before green lighting it.
> 
> Seems reasonable.  Ale should be able to spin up a new one.

I'd prefer to see the new dns ptype separated from the dnswl discussion.  I 
can see broad utility in the dns ptype (for example, if you want to indicate 
that a domain is testing DKIM, I think we need dns because that's where you 
find the information - it's not an attribute of the signature).

Scott K