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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Reports helping spammers? (#81)

Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Sat, 23 January 2021 11:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Reports helping spammers? (#81)
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On Fri 22/Jan/2021 23:40:18 +0100 John Levine wrote:
> 
> As someone said, the better the spammers align their stuff, the better
> we can filter it.


100% agreed.


> Close this, please.


Please don't.  That such a doubt can cross the minds even of knowledgeable 
people is a real issue.  At a minimum, the paragraph I cited[*] should be 
restored.  A crispy further clarification is welcome.

Best
Ale
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[*] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/HRAR3hSdckw3mU_Gebh8vcYOjm4

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