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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tickets 98 and 99 -- fake reports are not a problem and if they were authentication would not help

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Mon, 25 January 2021 18:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tickets 98 and 99 -- fake reports are not a problem and if they were authentication would not help
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Issue #99 would need to be resolved if you want to use https as well. 
That's really why I brought up the entire issue. It's an easy fix for 
email, and not obvious how you fix it for https.

Mike

On 1/25/21 9:41 AM, Seth Blank wrote:
> Realized I think we're going in circles. Just posted text that is 
> status quo that I believe already addresses Michael's concern.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 9:38 AM Murray S. Kucherawy 
> <superuser@gmail.com <mailto:superuser@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 9:32 AM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com
>     <mailto:mike@mtcc.com>> wrote:
>
>         Why is this controversial? Seriously. What is controversial
>         about saying that the a report should authenticate? The onus
>         is on the people who say it does not to lay out the case for
>         why it's not a problem, not me. #98 has a simple piece of text
>         to remedy this. it's 2021. You don't use unauthenticated data
>         if you can possibly help it.
>
>     I'm not taking a position at this point on the issue, but I think
>     you should expect that this will come up in external reviews.  If
>     consensus is to maintain the status quo, we might want to say so
>     explicitly (and why) rather than saying nothing, as the latter
>     might be interpreted as it having gotten no consideration at all.
>
>     -MSK
>
>
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> -- 
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