Re: [dmarc-ietf] Abolishing DMARC policy quarantine

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Wed, 24 July 2019 23:07 UTC

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From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:06:44 -0400
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Abolishing DMARC policy quarantine
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 4:45 PM Steve Atkins <steve@wordtothewise.com>
wrote:

> > It's interesting that the industry has decided to interpret "p=reject;
> pct=0" the way we intended "p=quarantine; pct=100".
>
> It's semi-explicitly defined that way in the RFC, isn't it?
>

If so, we should fix it because (a) I don't think that's how we intended
it, and (b) in any case, nothing in there should be only semi-explicit.

-MSK