Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 12 July 2019 19:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Nonexistent Domain Policy was: Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd
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In article <CAD2i3WNigYz8vk-FwFCgy0y=HJep_m9ncwj7wpTqrTMUhq0qLA@mail.gmail.com> you write:
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>On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:55 AM Kurt Andersen (b) <kboth@drkurt.com> wrote:
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>> I am much more concerned with adding another tag that can only be used in
>> a PSD-DMARC record. I would be much more open to make a "normative" change
>> to the DMARC tag list (RFC 7489 section 11.4) to define np for any DMARC
>> record, than to make this a special case for PSD-DMARC records.
>>
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>I am also concerned with adding any new policy-related tags, due to the
>confusion they create that limits adoption. However, a very clear case for
>an NXDOMAIN policy has been made by UK NCSC for .gov.uk, and both .gov and
>.mil have stated they also want this behavior. Others have shared similar
>opinions privately.

How do they feel about NODATA, which is not the same as NXDOMAIN?

R's,
John