Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

Barry Leiba <> Thu, 07 January 2021 14:38 UTC

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Supporting what Tim said, and expanding a bit (and, yes, it's general,
not specific): If we all do our best to stick to the technical issues
and to keep our tone neutral, then it's easier for the chairs to
respond appropriately to cases of inability to conduct civil
discourse, and to target that response appropriately.  Best efforts to
understand each other, to respond to the points, and to avoid
implications that anyone's concerns are trivial will make it possible
for the chairs to manage the discussion and to take appropriate action
when they have to.  If you think something's been hashed out enough
and that further discussion along the same line isn't useful, don't
say that publicly: let the chairs know what you think, and let them
handle it from there.


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 11:52 PM Dave Crocker <> wrote:
> On 1/6/2021 8:47 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote:
> You should have a pretty good idea based on these arguments over the past few months to have a sense of how responses will be received. Take a step back and take a second read.
> This goes for all. Folks have very specific views of how they think mail should work
> Tim,
> This has nothing to do with differences in opinion.  It has to do with his persistent inability to conduct civil discourse in the face of disagreement.
> Disagreement is fine.  Abuse is not.
> d/
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