Re: [dmarc-ietf] is DMARC informational?

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Fri, 04 December 2020 22:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] is DMARC informational?
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On 12/4/20 2:27 PM, Brandon Long wrote:
> The DMARC spec was originally designed by folks outside of IETF, and 
> the current RFC was a "cleaned up" and modified into RFC format 
> version of that spec, to match current practice.
> There was also concern with the spec's impact on various indirect email.
>
> Hence, informational and independent submission.
>
> This is somewhat spelled out in the working group charter: 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dmarc/about/ 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dmarc/about/>
>
That seems really strange because that pretty much describes DKIM as 
well, and it's very standards track. And adsp which dmarc made historic 
was standards track, and certainly had all of the same issues with 
mailing lists, etc.

Mike