Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-10.txt Mon, 22 February 2021 16:24 UTC

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> >>> Actually that's a community that I would expect to know exactly what all those terms mean and
> >>> how they are all related.

> yes. But it's worse than that.  The current language is not
> automatically clear even for folk with good knowledge about DNS
> administration.

> As is being noted, I too think a great deal of the problem is
> over-reliance on the word register.

> It is being used as if it explains a basic difference in administrative
> roles.  It doesn't.  Not even close.

> >> To work with the example you gave here, I agree that "" is registered (under "com"), but
> >> disagree that "" is registered at all;

> > Right, of course it's not.

> I disagree.  Strongly.  The fact that one registration is internal and
> another is through a third-party, semi-regulated service does not make a
> difference, for the use of that word.

> I work with an organization that has an IT department that is just as
> formal typical ICANN-authorized registries.  To get a sub-domain is a
> Very Big Deal.  Don't think for a moment that it is fundamentally
> different than interacting with the TLD registeries.

Wow, I didn't know you had started working for Oracle! Welcome aboard! ;-)

Seriously, this is the rule, not the exception, with large organizations,
especially those that assign significant value to their domain reputations.
There are all kinds of hoops you have to jump through before you'll be able to
get a sub-domain, or for that matter a different name with the company name
embedded in it. And after it's registered, there are ongoing maintenance

Registering a domain with, say, GoDaddy is a triviality by comparison.

The SSL certificate situation adds even more complexity, but fortunately
that's not relevant here.

> > I didn't say that it is: I said that
> > people who don't fully understand this stuff *think* it is, and that's
> > the part that the text isn't making clear.

> >> To my mind, "register" involves a specific transaction, sometimes involving money, with whoever gates
> >> access to make those delegations.

> How much do you pay to register to vote?

> However the rest of the above statement is correct.  A transaction to
> record gain access to a resource or to reserve access to it.

> Registration is a process of signing up.  That's all.  And it says
> nothing about the role or relationship of the entity the registration is
> with.