Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC questions
John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Wed, 02 December 2020 20:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC questions
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On Wed, 2 Dec 2020, Michael Thomas wrote: >> Ignoring the existing usage of DKIM, DKIM+A-R would only work for a single >> hop, and lead to some complication compared to the other DKIM signatures >> already on the message. > > Wait, what? a DKIM signatures survives until it encounters an intermediary > that alters the message in a breaking manner. Arc-Signatures are no different > in that respect. In fact as far as I can tell they are identical modulo the > i= difference. Please reread the ARC spec. The ARC-Authentication-Results at level N tells you whether the ARC and DKIM signatures were good at level N-1. R's, John
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