Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a problem

Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> Mon, 01 February 2021 23:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Forensic report loops are a problem
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On 2/1/2021 3:49 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
>>
> It strains credulity that one part of a company would want to send out 
> reports when some other can't even sign their email. Both need access 
> to the email stream for starters. 

No it doesn't.


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