Re: [dmarc-ietf] spec nit - which DKIM to report

Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Sat, 06 July 2019 11:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] spec nit - which DKIM to report
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>> the spec does not define *which* DKIM signature should be reported in 
>> the DMARC RUA created by a receiver.
>> [... skip proposed order ...]
> 
> This seems overcomplex.  How about saying the reports SHOULD include
> all valid DKIM reports.  If they can't, they can't, and I don't see
> any benefit in offering advice on how not to comply.


In my implementation, I have two points where I don't comply:

*Maximum signatures in a message*

That is to avoid silly attacks (but consider the recent SKS attack).  It
is about 1000, IIRC.  The rest is not verified.


*Maximum signatures reported in rua*

This is much lower, currently 4.  It's there because transitive closure
is not yet available on a number of SQL products.  In particular,
MariaDB needs 10.2.2[*], which is not yet in Debian stable.  The
workaround is to left joint a (finite) number of times the table with
itself[†].


How about this:

    In the presence of multiple signatures, aggregate reports SHOULD
    mention at most 1000 and at least 4 signatures (if available), in
    order of decreasing importance.

?


Best
Ale
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[*]
https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/recursive-common-table-expressions-overview/

[†] search db_sql_dmarc_agg_record in:
https://www.tana.it/svn/zdkimfilter/tags/v1.6/odbx_example.conf