Re: [dmarc-ietf] non-mailing list use case for differing header domains

Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net> Thu, 30 July 2020 12:50 UTC

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:50:17 -0400
From: Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] non-mailing list use case for differing header domains
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On 7/30/2020 6:39 AM, Jeremy Harris wrote:
> On 29/07/2020 18:34, Hector Santos wrote:
>> Look at my DMARC record for my isdg.net domain:
>>
>> v=DMARC1; p=reject; atps=y; rua=mailto:dmarc-rua@isdg.net;
>> ruf=mailto:dmarc-ruf@isdg.net;
>>
>> The atps=y [...]
>> So anyone out there can see that I authorized bayviewphysicians.com to
>> sign for isdg.net
>>
>> It is really [simple.]
>
> That works at a domain-controlled level.  But people sign up for,
> and write to, mailinglists on an individual level.  Mismatch.

Very true. The authoring domain will need to have a way to add ATPS 
records defining who has explicit authorizing to sign/resign on behalf 
of the authorizing domain.   This will immediately help resolve a 
number of the scenarios for Authorized Third Party Signatures.

The individual user mailing list issue continues because of the use of 
restrictive domains in a public arena where there are no controls. 
There are two ways to deal with this:

1) Domain Organization policy. Does it allow its domain users to 
freely use their corporate, company domains in a public professional 
environment?

2) The MLM supported of a DKIM+DMARC+ATPS will restrict domains that 
it can not resign.

The MLM needs to be updated to support restrictive DKIM Policy domains.

-- 
Hector Santos,
https://secure.santronics.com
https://twitter.com/hectorsantos