Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-08
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 09 April 2020 23:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-08
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In article <CABuGu1rekWo3mRkK_OpRksYNrSmPaFHD6k1_K=a7a_Sx7aMhBQ@mail.gmail.com> you write: > 1. ".co.uk" is not a TLD. TLDs are single label domains - there are > ccTLDs and gTLDs. Right. > 2. The invocation of the PSL compounds the issue that was raised by Dave > Crocker. How DMARC (RFC 7489) determines the organizational domain is > orthogonal to this proposal which simply calls for a conditional additional > check at the "org - 1" level. I recommend striking the penultimate > paragraph in the proposal. I'd suggest weasel wording it to say that the domain above an org domain is often known as a public suffix domain, which typically delegates the org domains below it to a unrelated parties. This spec allows public suffix domains to publish policies to supplant those of their child org domains ... I agree we should stay as far from mentioning the PSL and its specific implementation as possible. Who knows, someday people might get around to trying my dbound in DNS implementation instead. R's, John
- [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft-iet… Dale Worley via Datatracker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… worley
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Last-Call] Genart last call rev… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Last-Call] Genart last call rev… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Last-Call] Genart last call rev… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… worley
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… worley
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart las… worley