Re: [dmarc-ietf] Definition of "value" in RFC8601

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Wed, 01 April 2020 21:05 UTC

Return-Path: <johnl@iecc.com>
X-Original-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2353E3A0900 for <dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:05:53 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.849
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=pmELtJ9K; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=HKPhoEs8
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PtIS4aKdM1JF for <dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D7003A08FD for <dmarc@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 65062 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2020 21:05:50 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fe24.5e85022e.k2004; bh=c/Tqh5TdUhTr56C4XBOc7kqcOGLSdUPIbPmQ2IrFxp4=; b=pmELtJ9KQYb9JWm/majCjzPHTrDRqP+M+X3f/Tb7hmuv/3A+mfOHqZsjQ5xVOQLoOK1EDwQWos9grlj5auJ3urZoGuikkfFMRen0q/GO2XyCXwSpiSupC1BKjsmYBqiJBv87/f8YZrbmv/b6b8lXFbxazllR/S8LGYaRMBkMtKWC1+jNqwQGISQ9DH+bgBk196J0LYBrHDUG7J+OPzuk4SUAIKOnkpspvYHwJm7t7yK0xewmswuLImzN1dXwilAt
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fe24.5e85022e.k2004; bh=c/Tqh5TdUhTr56C4XBOc7kqcOGLSdUPIbPmQ2IrFxp4=; b=HKPhoEs8RVMBIjlLr19LSPSWA1Pb7AjYTnvjhsxElLcKiVEvb36JuYb1sfgNcxJ9ijxFloV9pzxsU+S6EWORk8qY2Te6ni9pAaUHUODmLo8o4do6sbclOfoPb2qTV6oRn61SIYA6Kq5r7EQQw4kx8RmeYEHBdeHdw0oUn3LdNuYQm97whJ6S5IbZoo1JM8OcO8nkqYruvue1jelmgwPagdFt22mMlEvKXCgQiAlX97fTKKm4kL041r2jPEsYK2j4
Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 01 Apr 2020 21:05:49 -0000
Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id AFA6C16E323F; Wed, 1 Apr 2020 17:05:49 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 17:05:49 -0400
Message-Id: <20200401210549.AFA6C16E323F@ary.qy>
From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
To: dmarc@ietf.org
Cc: rfc@arcsin.de
In-Reply-To: <5c650beb-f0b7-5cae-3070-b7005dec9dbe@arcsin.de>
Organization: Taughannock Networks
X-Headerized: yes
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/i7fVYOqptJ_AlCpSlD4I5n2g0v4>
Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Definition of "value" in RFC8601
X-BeenThere: dmarc@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting, and Compliance \(DMARC\)" <dmarc.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dmarc/>
List-Post: <mailto:dmarc@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 21:05:53 -0000

In article <5c650beb-f0b7-5cae-3070-b7005dec9dbe@arcsin.de> you write:
>> It's the one you found.  If the authserv-id has a non-ASCII UTF-8 character,
>> it's invalid under 5321 and valid under 6531.
>
>I thought we established that as soon as the authserv-id has non-ASCII
>UTF-8 characters, the mail is automatically - by definition - a 6531 mail:

Sorry if it seemed like I said that.  It's either a potentially valid
EAI message or a definitely invalid ASCII message.  If your system
doesn't handle EAI mail, it's invalid.  If there are bytes with the
high bit set but they're not a UTF-8 sequence, or they're not a UTF-8
character allowed in an authserv-id it's invalid even if you handle
EAI.

R's,
John