Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine
Steven M Jones <smj@crash.com> Wed, 02 December 2020 03:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine
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On 12/1/20 6:16 PM, John Levine wrote: > In article <e4ce658f-3a19-aa24-0fb2-2078d06fcc34@crash.com> you write: >> On 12/1/20 4:16 PM, Douglas Foster wrote: >>> I have always assumed that p=quarantine and pct<>100 were included to >>> provide political cover for "Nervous Nellies" who were afraid to >>> enable p=reject. >> p=none, p=quarantine, and the pct= option were all included so that >> organizations could set policies according to their own risk/reward >> evaluation, including changes to those evaluations over time. > Do you think there was a shared understanding of how p=quarantine > would be implemented? Put the mail in a spam folder? Put it in some > separate place that you can check? (Mimecast does that with some > dubious mail) Put it in the inbox with a warning label? Not in the sense of, "All Receivers should do at least X for quarantine." Rather that the Domain Owner is requesting whatever the Receiver implements between rejecting the message and putting it in the inbox, and is willing to apply. Discussions of this nature usually included a recognition - if not a blunt statement - that the Receiver will do whatever they deem best in whatever situation was under consideration. So even if the use case of a small Receiver without a quarantine function wasn't explicitly mentioned on this or that occasion, they would be covered under the, uhm, /force majeure/ clause of Receiver agency. That "clause" came up a _lot_ ... --S.
- [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Seth Blank
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Laura Atkins
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Steven M Jones
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Benny Lyne Amorsen
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Benny Lyne Amorsen
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Laura Atkins
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Todd Herr
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Brandon Long
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Jesse Thompson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Brandon Long
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Michael Thomas
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine Alessandro Vesely