Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Last-Call] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-08

Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com> Thu, 16 April 2020 03:43 UTC

Return-Path: <scott@kitterman.com>
X-Original-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861E93A0BB5; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:43:54 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.1
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (unsupported algorithm ed25519-sha256)" header.d=kitterman.com header.b=ZXz0cR6n; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kitterman.com header.b=HTdvVxrs
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1-B1Rdr9ttCd; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:43:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from interserver.kitterman.com (interserver.kitterman.com [64.20.48.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D7843A0D16; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:43:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from interserver.kitterman.com (interserver.kitterman.com [64.20.48.66]) by interserver.kitterman.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAC8CF80279; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 23:43:43 -0400 (EDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kitterman.com; i=@kitterman.com; q=dns/txt; s=201903e; t=1587008623; h=date : in-reply-to : references : mime-version : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : subject : to : cc : from : message-id : from; bh=AGeEE1pZPW/Lnb23YZ6BfuoIRc/NUNOTptzsq8VeG3c=; b=ZXz0cR6nbVVnqcKjPJ+shIRprk8EFJ1GhrGSrr8Z3xe5RytRuonAdn5tCJLiFlMO58rSx DI1V/M3SlmklEqXAA==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kitterman.com; i=@kitterman.com; q=dns/txt; s=201903r; t=1587008623; h=date : in-reply-to : references : mime-version : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : subject : to : cc : from : message-id : from; bh=AGeEE1pZPW/Lnb23YZ6BfuoIRc/NUNOTptzsq8VeG3c=; b=HTdvVxrsVq5GJhH1y8Gsnf9NdPm/drvIPiBo2Q23a7Ry8aUW2BU3tjoET+nqZ7I7qxPmL Aq5Hg0Ou234uZ+zP7fn97fkxvMIdCx5Jo3cvfdH1Z+bhZ7ZpEUTr3KUqk+djwIqux4W+FMe 6V782dSBAtNODi6nGhuHUZPejaNYT3Fayq+R6Gi8ojghPFwjGupDZecq7KlBkBwunOJFuAc Es1uy8aPEmi1JVCrm8zdYJL4p5czh4BSrDS/+urKyMAFkGp1ftQRVPPtYraEGy9o/z0ltIC WUx+dOJQeOIIsjIoZoY95oZ07pwrniMaTr0fxQ3AXM4XnILY77B9b+ce8blQ==
Received: from [192.168.1.184] (static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net [72.81.252.22]) by interserver.kitterman.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 74457F80024; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 23:43:43 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 03:43:41 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CAD2i3WNUQO5257Fy369+mcY19iToQTOvDXLF5jk7CKE92ZUZNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <873694nosf.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> <5104491.njhNTWfIiN@sk-desktop> <CAD2i3WNUQO5257Fy369+mcY19iToQTOvDXLF5jk7CKE92ZUZNA@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To: last-call@ietf.org,IETF DMARC WG <dmarc@ietf.org>
CC: gen-art@ietf.org,draft-ietf-dmarc-psd.all@ietf.org
From: Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com>
Message-ID: <4666D39F-85F5-4AD2-A754-11FED0A5C169@kitterman.com>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/jwm2zL8ivm-d8cQjXb9FjPuTc7w>
Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] [Last-Call] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-08
X-BeenThere: dmarc@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting, and Compliance \(DMARC\)" <dmarc.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dmarc/>
List-Post: <mailto:dmarc@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 03:43:55 -0000


On April 16, 2020 3:30:59 AM UTC, Seth Blank <seth@sethblank.com> wrote:
>On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:45 PM Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com>
>wrote:
>
>> > I think you are very close to an Abstract/Introduction that is
>clearly
>> > comprehensible to people who are not familiar with DMARC.
>>
>> Considering this is an extension to DMARC, I don't think that's the
>target
>> audience.
>>
>
>As an individual: everyone who reads the document stand-alone gets
>confused
>by this lack of clarity (it's the common thread through all the last
>call
>reviews so far), and a concise summary up top feels valuable both for
>this
>evaluation process, and for any future consumers of the document.
>Whether
>someone's familiar with DMARC or not, if they're reading this document,
>what's the harm in spelling it out very clearly, especially if we have
>text
>that we believe accomplishes this?

Perhaps I'm too pessimistic, but I don't think it's possible to actually make this clear to anyone that isn't familiar with RFC 7489 without essentially turning this into a proto 7489bis.

If you want to add it and are confident we aren't diving into a deep, deep hole, I don't strongly object.  Just let me know what to add.

Scott K