Re: [dmarc-ietf] 5.5.4. Publish a DMARC Policy for the Author Domain - dmarcbis-06

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Tue, 05 April 2022 16:23 UTC

Return-Path: <johnl@taugh.com>
X-Original-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757B13A2376 for <dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 5 Apr 2022 09:23:24 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.109
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=nVAtGQ8F; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=dqlE2bol
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NuQ6wqtk5laF for <dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 5 Apr 2022 09:23:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C95F83A07DD for <dmarc@ietf.org>; Tue, 5 Apr 2022 09:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 69973 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2022 16:22:59 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=11151.624c6ce3.k2204; bh=iEBoeYxQKaKhABHlV7XSViu+ZSQC5GbOQ+c5eRPGx98=; b=nVAtGQ8FeZ2FezKjxNtP87iqA/jQ4HLdDIqPkXUKUO4TbiSTYhVRbR/JINHwCO7ef0QFwhBeVAlLkOppDHL505Gped+auaNPFWOvnlHh9HOMyqZENNi89lDh/44gEnCNI/Eu7Z/q283+8gDS46Ph1tsjumMqXjwBZ+8qOig8npvHV0zfsUhGt41n9gWxpSg4hOuzcxwDsMsAuydfU9ls8FV46muZbd62RiyS8mAPz+bp0+/gLmQF4tBPK4whPLG/VXL47N8Sgsz4S3Vl5V7yAKU/0L3VEB0k5UXxJRSV36032yKxJFkZ6KouV0Xlhjsyc66mSnMMdGwzWWgF2v57pQ==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=11151.624c6ce3.k2204; bh=iEBoeYxQKaKhABHlV7XSViu+ZSQC5GbOQ+c5eRPGx98=; b=dqlE2bolEHF2nKTgqmNSywc+p0CL0Ox4JpbiPfXV6vPQBn9VTu4rE4Ho/4XgQHjNyGlp0/iHVIK30sF7t7wJnxG9N/X6RtJTJVa3YNQDn8L8YjFly6jyjaNw2brK9lhAqKpQ/qd3QWXv/yohnTLkOfecyUthX297x8wHRQMha4hwkjwXIPvz/eju4N6w175N/wK7ZEPDkhCDxd42xrm9cxNj4AQYb/5MrydAp3Pk1U8MkXnqJSly9CxQVUi0NXAZpOUafwmHHvyZUgKZpVFhfTaW0C4NDOtjKkXYXWI0kOvcM7PhuC1NL1i88RCS5HAf3Gf7Eb9LPORS8zPuZCFeVQ==
Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 05 Apr 2022 16:22:59 -0000
Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id A1BF63B3B0E3; Tue, 5 Apr 2022 12:22:58 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ary.qy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EB13B3B0C0; Tue, 5 Apr 2022 12:22:58 -0400 (EDT)
Date: 5 Apr 2022 12:22:57 -0400
Message-ID: <9ca17268-530c-3b47-0cc4-b0ab9e83f543@taugh.com>
From: "John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
To: "Alessandro Vesely" <vesely@tana.it>, dmarc@ietf.org
X-X-Sender: johnl@ary.qy
In-Reply-To: <362b2316-53fc-59bc-ba71-d9fe4b184c8a@tana.it>
References: <20220403024904.479EA3A462E4@ary.qy> <45a019b3-3f97-6c56-409b-5a3f9f2d06ba@tana.it> <83bed554-8def-0952-28e8-47cf6abe67df@taugh.com> <f1ae6447-0f91-39e5-fdbe-e6f9edba31c4@tana.it> <751a4cb2-35d5-7182-b42b-377fc9d11b22@taugh.com> <a2f653bb-5a5f-e41f-fd91-aac4c04ea2aa@tana.it> <0c06b5b0-a298-479d-90b5-a17cfaa4e672@taugh.com> <362b2316-53fc-59bc-ba71-d9fe4b184c8a@tana.it>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/kzAT3WdawuODMGQLFgVs7kJASWI>
Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] 5.5.4. Publish a DMARC Policy for the Author Domain - dmarcbis-06
X-BeenThere: dmarc@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting, and Compliance \(DMARC\)" <dmarc.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dmarc/>
List-Post: <mailto:dmarc@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2022 16:23:32 -0000

> Scott took the time to define PSDs and PSOs in RFC 9091, restated in Sections 
> 3.2.8 and 3.2.9 of the current draft.  Since the definitions of 
> Organizational Domain (both the current 3.2.7 an my proposed change) require 
> PSD + 1, a PSD has to be a proper subdomain of another PSD in order to admin 
> an Organizational Domain itself.

I don't agree, but whatever.

[ long list of PSDs that send and receive mail ]

> _dmarc.ac.me TXT "v=DMARC1; p=quarantine; adkim=r; aspf=r; fo=0; pct=100; rua=mailto:dmarc@ac.me"
> ac.me mail is handled by 10 mail.ac.me.
> ac.me TXT "v=spf1 mx ip4:89.188.43.10 ip6:2a02:4280:0:200:89:188:43:10 -all"

> All of the above admit no org domain.

If I have a message from bob@ac.me and it has valid SPF of mail.ac.me, is that aligned?  Why or why not?

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly