Re: [dmarc-ietf] Two new fields in aggregate reports

"Kurt Andersen (b)" <kboth@drkurt.com> Fri, 25 October 2019 15:21 UTC

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From: "Kurt Andersen (b)" <kboth@drkurt.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 08:21:19 -0700
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To: Дилян Палаузов <dilyan.palauzov@aegee.org>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Two new fields in aggregate reports
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 3:52 AM Дилян Палаузов <dilyan.palauzov@aegee.org>
wrote:

>
> If it is a goal to reuse the dmarc-reporting mechanism to report also
> about perceived spam probability, then it can be
> discussed in more details how this can be achieved.  My experience is,
> that asking a provider, why an obviously non-spam
> mail was evaluated as spam, virtually never leads to a useful answer.  So
> nobody wants to reveal how its spam system
> weigths factors and if there is lack of such interest, extending the
> report format will not help, as nobody will be
> willing the report the data.
>

Especially when the answer more or less boils down to "lots of recipients
treated messages like this as spam". There are so many squishy terms there
that it is essentially meaningless.

--Kurt