Re: [dmarc-ietf] New proposed wording for p=quarantiine

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 02 August 2019 22:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] New proposed wording for p=quarantiine
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In article <c586258d8480a4ff71d3c14bef10cf3aec66ab7d.camel@aegee.org> you write:
>Current wording for p=quarantine
>      quarantine:  The Domain Owner wishes to have email that fails the
>         DMARC mechanism check be treated by Mail Receivers as
>         suspicious.  Depending on the capabilities of the Mail
>         Receiver, this can mean "place into spam folder", "scrutinize
>         with additional intensity", and/or "flag as suspicious".
>
>Amendment to the wording for p=quarantine:
>
>… or reject at SMTP level. ...

No.  We really, really, don't like changes that aren't backward
compatible.  You can do what you want but there is no chance I would
ever make p=quarantine a signal to reject, and I think I am not
atypical.

R's,
John

PS: You can of course do whatever you want on your own system.